MEDEVAC
15th MED\15th FSB
Mike Bodnar
11357 W Amber Trail
Surprise, AZ 85374-9322
(623)933-0028
e-mail: mbodnar27@juno.com
Web site: http://15thmedassociation.org
Forum:
http://communities.msn.com/15thMEDASSOCIATION/_whatsnew.msnw
MEDEVAC crew chief Rick FREEMAN <PEACELOVE928@YAHOO.COM>
remembers: "I had around 400 hours of flight time as a
MEDEVAC crew member. Flying became as routine as getting in
the car and driving is now. The experience of flying was
heightened by flying with the doors open so there was nothing
between you and that vast ocean of air. I enjoyed the flying,
the aerial views of the countryside, flying above the clouds,
and low level and contour flying.
"There were some anxious moments. We went on a mission and
were told it might be hot so the pilots were maintaining 5000
feet. When we approached the pickup site we were told we
would have to do a hoist mission. We hadn't prepared for that
so the pilot came to a hover at 5000 feet so the Medic could
take off the side door and prepare for a hoist mission. This
was a strange feeling being at a standstill at 5000 feet. I
don't think we hovered more than five minutes, but it was a
long five minutes! I was relieved when we started getting
some forward air speed again.
"We were flying into the Ashau Valley trying to pick up some
wounded and were having trouble with the cloud cover. We
tried going above the clouds to find an opening where we
could get through. We went between two mountain peaks with
the clouds obscuring the mountaintops so it was like flying
through a tunnel. That was spooky. Rick"
Dave PARKS <SHOOTDOWN@YAHOO.COM>, '69-'70 MEDEVAC door
gunner responded, "I hated to fly in the fog, stand on the
skid with a foot out feeling for anything. But, the boys in
the towers were good at getting us close to where we wanted
to be. They would tell us to come to a hover, then say OK,
start down; put us right in the revetment once. Ain't enough
guys on this site to get me into another bird!"
To which Rick FREEMAN responded, "Shootdown, I didn't like
flying in the fog. We went out on a hoist mission one night
in the rain and it was pitch black. They used flares to get
us over the site. Once we got over the site the pilot got
vertigo and almost put us down in the trees. The other pilot
pulled us up at the last minute. I haven't flown in a long
time. I work next to a small airpark and watched a plane
today doing some stunt flying, loops and rolls. Not for me.
Rick"
GunnerGIBBS <GUNNERMADMUR@AOL.COM>adds, "Hey Rick, Were you
with us at the Battle Of Hue when there was so much debris in
the air you could not see too far? Anyway, we just made a
pickup close to the Citadel of Hue and were flying back. Do
you remember the antennas? Well, there they were and we were
about to fly right into them.
"The AC pulled the MEDEVAC's nose straight up until we just
about stalled and then does a tail spin and now we are coming
straight down. He pulled up a again and now we are in level
flight going back the same way we came. That was a combat
stunt if I ever saw one. I didn't want to see an instant
replay. All the other flying I could handle.
"Yes, I remember Ashau Valley. If you remember Rick, I was
the NCOIC and I had to be first in line to get that Gama
Globin shot. When you looked at me in pain I thought you were
going to become some chickens...haha!! It hurt for 2 days.
Try flying sitting on one cheek. My butt never hurt so much
after that...President Murray."
And, adds more: "Hey guys, I think I have a big advantage on
most of you. I was a radio teletype operator when I went to
Vietnam. Well, that didn't happen over there. Ended up in the
15th MED Bn. as a radio operator at headquarters, Camp
Radcliff. I didn't get along with the commo guys and their
Sgt. When they asked for volunteers for MEDEVAC door gunners
I jumped on it. My tour went from safe to extremely risky.
Never lost my typing skills.
"Peacelove flew with me thru TET at the Battle of HUE. I know
he can tell you that almost everyday and everytime we went
out on a mission I either shot at the enemy on the way down,
in the LZ, or on the way back. Sometimes all three. The
reason was snipers in trees just waiting for choppers flying
back and forth from Camp Evans and the hot spots just north
of the walls of Hue. You talk about setting a standard well,
it was pure hell. On many, many occasions you saw and engaged
company size groups of NVA. I believe Peacelove and I had a
couple MEDEVACs shot up from under us in a couple of hours.
The 3rd one didn't get shot up, from what I could remember
that same day.
"I forgot to mention one thing, "I am slightly color blind"
and almost failed the physical because of that. It proved to
be my greatest advantage over the other gunners and crew
chiefs."
Tom LAMMLE <JTLAMMLE2@MSN.COM>responded: "Hello Rick, I was
your gunner for a while as well as for Randy BREWER. Just
wanted to say Hi and let you know I am still kicking. I live
in Moses Lake, WA. Send me an e-mail and let me know where
you are now......."
Dave "Tater" PARKS also mentioned that during '69-'70 there
were four members of MEDEVAC from Idaho. Dave-himself, Mike
"tater" SMITH, Jack "Willie" WILLIAMSON, and Don DUNN. Dave
said that DUNN didn't stay long. He wanted more action and
went to 1-9 Cav Blues.
Dave also mentions a couple of phone #'s for those of you
that may want to call. Gunner Richard HAMPSHER (989)354-3555.
Also pilot, Fred ALBRIGHT (814)695-6937.
I think that Dick HAMPSHER had a CIB. I remember when I was
first learning the MEDEVAC ropes, a stubby blond guy, always
with a war face on and a silver and sky blue Combat
Infantrymen's Badge, along with everyone else, making sure
that I was doing things correct.
Norm ROBERGE <NORMKARENN@AOL.COM>wrote, "Thanks Murray for
your comments on the [photo] album I'm in the process of
putting together, and thanks to those who've e-mailed
welcoming me to the party. I'll definitely be at the Reunion;
also Richie KRAUS, John WATERMAN, Ken WOLLARD, (Weird) Ralph
TUTRANI, and Henderson MCKEE, have said they'll try to be
there. Also, think I might of found WO Paul HUTSON tucked
away in Ohio; waiting for Art JACOBS to get back to me with
confirmation. I've noticed most of you guys were there a
little before or after me, but I definitely remember your
mugs as I look at your pics; also Randy BREWER, probably Jim
CALIBRO; and Bill MEEKS name sure sounds
familiar...I live close to Portland so won't be needing any
hotel room. Stay well...Bro Norm ROBERGE, Co C 15th...Apr
'68-Mar-'69."
Jim RAMSEY <JRAMSEYMSI@AOL.COM>writes, "I have added Bill
PICKLE's e-mail for you. Bill is now The Senate at Arms and
is in DC. Thanks Jim"
From "Medic Tango..Floyd" <SR71US@AOL.COM>"MEDEVAC set a
standard for me that no job or jobs have ever come close to..
in 30 years. I loved the job, the intensity, the camaraderie,
and the fact that I was doing something 'positive' in an
otherwise...situation.
"I'm proud of the job I did...however good or bad I did it...
and I'm really proud to have been associated with men like
yourselves <POINTING people MEDEVAC 15MED the all to>...I'm
glad I extended for the extra 6 months...but it was time to
leave forever when I left. I was hallucinating...I love
reading about the missions...they bring back such
memories...and makes me appreciate the guys and girls out
there defending us now...It also makes me appreciate what you
guys did...then and now. You're an integral part of the
leadership of the youth of today at work and in your own
home. This country is lucky to have guys like you Murray,
Rick, and all the others...As I've said before...I'm proud to
have been associated with men like you..even the Democrats!
<LAUGHING>."
In response to the previously mentioned crash of MEDEVAC 457,
Sept. 08, '67, gunner Jim CALIBRO wrote: "Mike, We had two
crews out of LZ Uplift at the time. Ours and the other one
mentioned. Like everything else I couldn't remember the exact
dates. But a while back I was surfing through the old SNORE's
site and found a list of KIAs SNORE had posted on the old
Web site with the dates. Also GunnerGIBBS had sent me a list
of KIAs that I think he had received from Fltpltsgt which had
all the information on it.
"The helicopter actually exploded and crashed as it came into
LZ Uplift, (that is another whole story in itself). It could
be that they aren't classified as KIAs because they crashed,
I don't know. Corky WALSH and his crew were flying out of LZ
English at the time. I also believe CWO CASEY was at LZ
Uplift when they crashed. Jim"
Dennis "Lxuplift672" CASEY <CWOCASEY@AOL.COM>does comment:
"Yes, I was [there] and they were all shot up, BEFORE they
crashed on [the] LZ; came in smoking to my left, missed
America Mt. to their rear, went 30-45 degrees left to right,
no capability of maintaining height, bounced off low sand bag
revetment, skid got caught and twisted and fell feet down.
Only a pilot like Roger ROSE could have done that!!
"The TOC was right on the LZ pad and my station was outside
where we guys from the Evac Plt were standing by to offload
wounded at all times. We heard all chatter and knew ROSE was
in trouble all the way in. There were three full crews
involved that night, not two. We did our best to extract
everyone but it wasn't enough. Mr. ROSE was 23 and he was
a friend to this 19 y.o. PFC. May they all rest in peace.
regards doc"
After '69 MEDEVAC PSG Gordon RUSSELL had asked me if the
familiar MEDEVAC patch-which is sold in the 1st Cav gift
shop-was authorized or not, I tried to research that and also
ran it by the members. Medic Tango stated, "Hi Mike, I don't
want to take sole credit for the MEDEVAC patch, but myself
and a couple of others got together and 'designed it'.
"We then had some Viet ladies stitch them into our green
baseball caps. We used the crew wings to represent the
helicopter part, the red cross from our helicopter for the
medical part, and put the 'SO THAT OTHERS MAY LIVE'
underneath to represent our mission. All this was on the Cav
patch.
"I do not remember who else was involved, but it was a group
effort...regardless.
"Sorry I forgot to tell you the time frame.. it was
summertime at Camp Evans, so it had to be May-Sept/'68. To my
best recollection. Medic Tango."
That seems to be the case-although I didn't think they had a
summer in Vietnam, just one big one-because Murray GIBBS says
that he never saw that patch and he was MEDEVACed as WIA just
prior to that. Jim CALLIBRO says that he never saw that patch
and he dates back to '67. No one else has yet disputed that
claim. Everyone else after that seems to have worn,
possessed, or knew the patch.
From Victor "DocAdams1" ADAMS <VICTORJADAMS@YAHOO.COM>, "I
served in South Vietnam with the 15th MED Cav between Dec '68
to June '69 as a front line medic with 1st and the 12th Bn.
They called me Doc ADAMS because my last name. The guys said
I acted like Doc ADAMS on the old TV program: Gunsmoke. I was
loaned out to A and C company 1st & the 12th when I was out
in the field. With 15th MED I was stationed, A Company, Tay
Ninh, and then at Quan Loi with the company that I forget."
Bill "dad606" MEEKS <MEEKS_W@MSN.COM>responded: "Doc ADAMS,
my name is Bill MEEKS. I was with A Co. 1st and the 12 Cav
from Nov '68 till Feb of '69, then went to A Co. 15th MED,
worked on the ward, then went to MEDEVAC in June of '69, till
Nov of '69. I have a feeling we know each other. You can
contact me at <MEEKS_W@MSN.COM>, would like to talk to you."
Damien D. VIERRA, known as "Pineapple," from Bellflower, CA,
<FIVEOINSC@MSN.COM>, signed into the 1st Cav Assn. Guestbook
on 11/15/03, and was shortly after welcomed into the 15th MED
Assn. as a fellow MEDEVACer. He says that he left Vietnam in
April of '71. '70-'71 MEDEVAC PSG James MCDONALD (CSM ret.)
<CSMRET@TDN.COM>recognizes Damien as one of his SP4 67N2F
crew chiefs.
Mark "DocDuckXray" DRAKE (DUCK) <CATHIDRAKE@MSN.COM>of
Longmont, CO, writes, "The Profile list [on the 15th MED
Assn. Community Web site] is a great idea! Comrades, please
go to the list and fill it out A.S.A.P., as I think it will
help greatly in getting many of us back together. I do not
remember many names but many nicknames, please include yours
when you fill it out.
"Just got the new Cav Calendar for 2004. Quite a shocker when
I saw LZ Illingsworth on the calendar. I remember just a
couple of days before it was hit, LZ Jay was also overrun.
Those are a few days I will never forget at 15th MED in Tay
Ninh, the 's' really hit the fan. A lot of good men were KIA
and wounded on both of those Fire Bases.
"I was X-raying a Lt. from Illingsworth when he was handed a
note with the guys he lost on the LZ. He turned and put his
fist through the wall behind him. He told me he was going to
put one of his men in for the MOH. Turns out that guy was
Pete LEMON. There is more on the Web if anyone is interested,
just look up MOH's or Pete LEMON. I talked to the Lt. a
couple of years ago, he was not doing well, can't remember
his name. Duck"
Doug CAMPBELL <CAMPBELL624@HOTMAIL.COM>, MEDEVAC Crew
Chief
'71-'72, A/C # 67-17624, also sent as an e-mail address:
<CAMPBELL624@YAHOO.COM>, said that he was just engaged to be
married for the first time, "Go figure." He remembered
his Vietnam service,"Gliding over country breathless in its
beauty until you come 'on station,' and its time to do your
duty. Sometimes in the morning a mission called routine,
meant dropping down through pea soup fog into triple canopy.
Or trying to save a baby burnt by accident, who'll haunt you
till the day you die with a pain that won't relent.
"While it was reasonable to question what the war was about,
our mission was quite simple: to get the wounded. Flying into
hell's fire, without a moments pause, because death was the
enemy, life was the cause.
"You can feel your heart beat behind your chicken vest,
knowing what it meant to hear, 'Fire has been suppressed.'
Hovering under fire offering all you have to give, your
dreams, your hopes, your future, SO THAT OTHERS MAY LIVE."
From "SureShrinkAlpha" Bruce BLAKESLEE
<BLAKESLE@UMDNJ.EDU>"Wow. It is great to find you guys. I
was in Phuoc Vinh and Tay Ninh '69-'70 as a Social
Work/Psychology Tech. Looking for my NCO John BERNARD.
"I've avoided remembering most of my tour in Vietnam, at
least until 9/11, and then it all began to flood back. Now,
little by little I am more in your face with my history in
the Cav. This was the biggest adventure of my life and, in
many ways, has been ingrained in me and my life since. It's
wild how you deny that until you can no longer keep it locked
down. Anyhow, it is great to find this site and hope to hear
from some of you. Bruce BLAKESLEE."
As I have mentioned before, there is congressional
legislation pending for a combat badge for aeromedical
evacuation crews as distinguished from the Combat Medical
Badge for infantry Medics. There is now a Senate version,
S.1487, introduced one month later by PA Senator Arlen
SPECTER. One of my senators' offices told me that it will
have to be reintroduced in the new session, as will the house
version, HR 2587. <HTTP: cgi-
bin/query/z?c108:S.1487>
The senate version wording specifies either awarding the
Combat Medical Badge or a new badge which they want to call
the Combat MEDEVAC Badge, or also abbreviated CMB. My
thinking is that is nothing but confusion.
As I have said, having been both a Medic in the infantry in
combat, and a flight Medic on MEDEVAC in combat, that there
should be new badge created, and to preserve the
exclusive, sanctity of the Combat Medical Badge for what it
was intended, i.e. the infantry Medic.
Also, my thinking is that the new badge should be called the
Combat Aeromedical Evacuation Badge, or CAB. That would not
confuse it with the CMB, Combat Medical Badge. Two completely
different, and completely exclusive functions. It is like the
difference between a Senator, and a member of the House of
Representatives. I do not think that they like to be confused
with each other, if you need to explain that to them when you
contact them about this.
As I have also mentioned before, MEDEVAC and DUSTOFF were
radio call signs in Vietnam. When U.S. Army Aeromedical
Evacuation was first started in the Vietnam War, the first
aeromedical evacuation unit at the time was given the choice
of some existing radio call signs for their use. They chose
one that did not have a combat connotation, i.e. DUSTOFF.
That call sign stuck and was used by every Army Aeromedical
Evacuation unit in Vietnam, except the 1st Cavalry Division's
Air Ambulance Platoon in the 15th Medical Battalion which
adopted MEDEVAC as their call sign-as well as they also were
the ONLY Army Aeromedical Evacuation unit in Vietnam to have
M-60 machine guns mounted on their helicopters.
It seems the 1st Cav got it right because the aeromedical
evacuation these days seems to be referred as "Medevac," thus
the use of the term in the pending Senate version of the
aeromedical evacuation combat badge. But, it doesn't have to
be what they want to call it.
Tell them so, if you think different. We did it, they didn't
do it!
The U.S. Army wants to keep the Combat Medical Badge
exclusive to infantry Medics only, and I agree. So, not to
confuse the two, as well as not to blend the two, the combat
aeromedical evacuation badge would be better named: Combat
Aeromedical Evacuation Badge, and abbreviated CAB. This would
also be more inclusive to those veterans of the Vietnam War's
DUSTOFF who may feel uncomfortable with the acronym term
"Medevac" when there was a MEDEVAC, and there was a DUSTOFF.
We were, and they all are still, technically, aeromedical
evacuation. Write, e-mail, contact your congressmen, and the
respective Armed Services Committees if you agree with this
proper, and distinctive wording. It's your country, it's your
service; use it or lose it.
Always remembering our 1st Cav troops on duty around the
world; over and out.
FIRST TEAM!
Garryowen,
Mike Bodnar C 2\7 Cav 1969
MEDEVAC 1-7\1970
SO THAT OTHERS MAY LIVE
